Politics in the Church of God Helps prevent Progress

Several Sabbath-retaining Church of God members (several groups and companies related to a person degree or another with Herbert W. Armstrong) are sincerely opposed to providing any Church of God literature or spiritual materials for sale, since Herbert Armstrong taught us to “acquire the truth of the matter and sell it not.” Even so, these kinds of Church of God users ought to recall that Mr. Armstrong afterwards permitted his books to be produced available for sale in bookstores, informing the brethren and co-workers in a letter dated September 12, 1985:

“There is a extremely massive audience which would hardly ever ask for this guide [Mystery of the Ages] if supplied totally free – who would under no circumstances ship their title and tackle to us – but would gladly invest in a copy in the bookstore. By putting it in the bookstores we will attain a quite good viewers that we can arrive at in no other way. We will not offer the e book ourselves, but it cannot be designed out there to this large viewers of e book prospective buyers until the bookstores do set a price tag on it.” (Autobiography of Herbert W. Armstrong, Volume 2, site 638).

Some have been upset that Outside of Babylon: Europe’s Increase and Slide is marketed. I remind them of Herbert Armstrong’s text earlier mentioned and Paul’s rhetorical response to some in his day over this basic principle that we’re commanded to not muzzle the ox even though it is treading out the grain and that a worker is deserving of his retain the services of. Aside from, Further than Babylon is offered to for Free or read through on the web for Free of charge. God understands I am unquestionably not in this for the money, but gladly share the simple fact of the Bible and record as I am equipped, being aware of it is truly priceless facts.

I am also an unique, not a Church firm obtaining regular tithes and offerings who consequently have no will need to provide anything, as they are geared up to give it all, ideally, for cost-free. I do not believe that any Church of God organization must provide Church of God literature. Having said that, people out in the discipline, not section of the administration or headquarters, have a God-provided proper to do as vital. Yeshua failed to condemn advertising sacrificial animals but was righteously indignant that these kinds of industrial actions were using place in the Temple courtyards and at exorbitant rates. Quite a few were being producing a killing somewhat than featuring a service.

A member of the Philadelphia Church of God a short while ago corresponded with me on this and other Church of God challenges.

Failed to you try and impose your e book on God’s ministers and church?

Not at all. Gerald Flurry refused to go forward with Further than Babylon and fell backwards, treading old floor and is now going in circles, organization as regular, as Europe rises and Judah and Israel have yet to be warned.

It’s possible you should really have waited until finally the time arrived.

You should not you consider God goes initial to His Church and then His Country? It was time to bring Outside of Babylon prior to Flurry, whom I contemplate to be the chief of this Laodicean period of God’s Church.

Do you believe you are a single of the 2 witnesses?

God knows, but what I do know is that we should to at the very least put together the way for them with Judah and NONE of the Church of God teams get to the cities of Judah.

That would be a honor to be a single. I have frequently prayed about them and in my silliness wished I could be just one of them.

It would be an honor and a grave accountability and the most hated position in the planet considering that rejection would be by quite a few in the Church, at first, and virtually all in the earth, with a bloody ending till the resurrection to actual physical lifetime just prior to the return of the King, Yeshua the Messiah. No great dinners or extravagant invitations for the Two Witnesses but plenty of murderous misunderstanding and hateful grief.

But I am just a lay member…..

No this kind of detail as “just” a lay member. All people has their God-offered put in the Church of God and are equally critical for regardless of what God has termed them to do.

Appears to me you focus also considerably on the physical Jews.

Not at all. Herbert Armstrong normally instructed us to “Enjoy JERUSALEM!” Who’s in Jerusalem? JEWS! The gospel began and will return there. God’s correct church is not there now although “Elijah” went there. This must alter.

Mr. Armstrong, near the time of his death, explained on one of his sermons or Bible experiments that they are not so vital as he once imagined considering the fact that they will not even believe that in Jesus Christ.

I never believe that at all and do not consider he at any time reported it. I quotation what we know for certain Herbert Armstrong explained about the value of reaching the metropolitan areas of Judah. It can be documented. Shamefully, it is really some thing that has not been performed nevertheless but the basis has been laid, even nevertheless the Perform in Israel is temporarily suspended by governing administration decree as it was in the times of Ezra and Nehemiah.

Mr. Flurry never read your e-book proper?

I will not know. Wayne Turgeon [Gerald Flurry’s son-in-law] handed him a print out of it several years back and he returned it to him indicating, “He’s normally sending us stuff.” Mr. Flurry even responded to me many periods on numerous difficulties including his confusion of Mount Carmel with Mount Hermon which I introduced to his awareness (getting been blessed to stay upcoming to both of them), and my disagreement with him when he said the pope was the only religious chief to sit on a throne and I stated the Queen of England is also head of the Anglican Church (whilst agreeing with the point he was creating from the Roman Catholic Cult).

I would love to obtain those people letters, however all through my numerous moves overseas to Israel I thought I retained them saved at my sister’s household but she can not come across them. Such letters also contain correspondence from Dr. Herman Hoeh many years ago about the Jews and their versions in shade and why. I fulfilled Dr. Hoeh at the Toronto Singles’ Weekend (Church of God singles from all above were being in attendance) where by he spoke and invited us to create him, which of study course I did.

Later I sent an autographed copy of a self-published BB (Further than Babylon) to Flurry’s house for him and his spouse who claimed to me (for the duration of the Feast of Tabernacles in Louisville) about my title, “What a sturdy Judah identify!”

Dennis Leap reported he browse areas of it and that it wasn’t essential for him or Flurry to read through it, contrary to Mr. Armstrong seeking Sardis (Church of God, Seventh Working day) to read through his manuscript – The United States and Britain in Prophecy – which they DID.

Nicely, I listen to you loud and obvious. I do not concur with some of headquarter’s selections but they are just as human as we are and liable to make problems, which include Mr. Flurry. Often we just have to go through the completely wrong and go on.

I conveniently take and acknowledge that fact, but if it is really a miscalculation or a sin we learn from it, acknowledge it and go ahead all the wiser. Flurry has accomplished none of all those humble items. No matter, I go on with no him as he goes backwards hoping to perform HWA and God in the Temple, grieved to say.

David, I hope and pray for your return to PCG… Mr. Flurry has engaged in private visual appeal strategies and he designs to go to Joseph and Judah this coming yr I consider. The Crucial of David will no lengthier air on Television and we are now focusing on personalized warnings.

Recall we are baptized into the Entire body of Jesus Christ – not into any sect or denomination of adult men. I stay a member of the religious Church of God that is not bound by membership lists at the mercy of adult males. Recall Diotrephes? (3 John vs. 9-11).

What do you signify they’ve scrapped the Tv plans (even although I constantly constructively criticized them -by means of Wayne Turgeon who employed to produce me pretty routinely – that no one but a really confined religious viewers would view the systems at the hrs they have been demonstrated). As Turgeon can testify, I also mentioned they essential a toll cost-free selection (which many years later they acquired) I stated they desired a website with Church literature (which a long time afterwards they have) they will need to publish Further than Babylon freely (which they still do not) and to acquire out key newspaper adverts like HWA to reach Most people and get All people talking about our God-presented controversial message.

We do really want much better ad.

Yes, for the reason that I’ve done my own assessments and surveys on lots of world wide web discussion boards to see that the general public will not have a clue who Flurry is, in no way listened to of the PCG and isn’t going to know the warning message at all. All that money for what? A personal club?

Much too bad you only see what you feel is negative but God has to get his family members prepared initially to marry his Son just before He can offer thoroughly with the earth.

And how does God do that? Have us stare at our Church navel – Church headquarters as the middle of our attention? – or by the way of give, outflowing worry for the fantastic and welfare of Others – like the cities of Judah. Or else people will hardly ever come to feel completely ready to attain out and will have confirmed by themselves deceived by Satan who doesn’t want the Do the job to GO Ahead. As we reach out, so help us God, He will operate in and by means of and for us at the same time.

I know all the things that is very good about the PCG and carry on to immediate individuals to its literature and The Philadelphia Trumpet magazine inspite of their refusal to deliver it to me. They even know I have offered them contacts in the Middle East, in Jerusalem, Jewish leaders, and that it was me whom God used to get in touch with the mayor of Jerusalem to get the HWA monument repaired (in the Liberty Bell Park in Jerusalem), and then I forwarded the details to Flurry (who did not even say thank you and wasn’t even informed of its woeful neglect that I realized about from staying in excess of there so a lot of situations). I will wager you did not know that, did you?

I experienced created an open up letter to the mayor of Jerusalem, Uri Lupolianski, that was printed in The Jerusalem Put up. His office environment contacted me to inquire about what teams or companies I was referring to that would be interested in undertaking the economical responsibility for the monument’s restoration and the relaxation is historical past.